January 04, 2007

Plural the same as Singular ...Curious George...Nouns that are the same in singular as in plural.

I saw a Moose and then I saw three Mooses and then I realized that the one and the three had the same name (although in Moose talk they might have been Alphonse, Edwina, and BigUn) and began to cogitate! What other nouns are the same in singular as in plural? There be several animals, such as Elk, Deer, Caribou, and Reindeer that are the one and the many. Why is that? And then we have "corps". What other nouns have this "herd" mentality?

  • Ask fish tick.
  • Why?
  • Another noun that is both singular and plural: data. I believe that there is debate on the correctness of this, but in much of the sciences it is treated as an acceptable singular or plural. *In other words, datum as a singular is considered .)
  • sheep?
  • It is my understanding that more than one fish of the same species is still "fish", but a sculpin and a blenny in the same tank are "fishes". Also please note that you cannot play cards in my house and claim to have two or more pair of something. Ick.
  • sheep? Another animule!! Why only animules? ...and ones subject to predation. Does our language treat our meat as a lump?
  • Also please note that you cannot play cards in my house and claim to have two or more pair of something. You're a small dealer. Be generous to your guests!
  • You know what? I JUST NOW got fish tick's name. Like literally fifteen seconds ago. I am a goddamn moron.
  • Bugger. You had to point it out before I finally got it, MCT. Even if it is 'fish finger' where I come from. So doubly, it could never be 'fishes tick'.
  • Mass nouns are your friends.
  • Bear. Many people say 'Bears', but if you ever hear park rangers or naturalists talk about them, they'll say things like "there's lots of bear in the area".
  • Behind the barracks, next to the crossroads, they built a gallows? If one of your pair of blennies has ick, it would be wise to separate it.
  • Buffalo.
  • Mass nouns are your friends. Thanks path! But still I'm curffufled about all them herd animals in that realm! Why not lion, leopard, chipmunck, eagle, weasel, whale, or heffalump? As for bear, I've seen lots of bears.
  • *pours bob a drink with spin properties*
  • Cheers! *drinks, falls over, waits for room to stop spinning*
  • Offspring.
  • Pants, scissors.
  • Whilst the sheep chewed the grass of plurality, My offspring, all seven, studied polygamy. Middleclasstool poured drinks, the elk were finks, The Buffalo trampled Mass Nouns on the rinks. The Fish quit the heroin and developed a tick, Is more than one Irishman called a Mick? Its a terrible deal posting in 2007, when even the plural of hell is "heaven".
  • FAQ -- I do believe that the sigular of "data" is "datum."
  • ))), fry!
  • It is my understanding that more than one fish of the same species is still "fish", but a sculpin and a blenny in the same tank are "fishes". You can do this with most sets of animals. Example, sometimes it right to say persons, sometimes it right to say people. Like a sign that "No people beyond this point" would only apply to groups of humans, individuals slip between the wording. A sign saying "No persons beyond this point" would apply to all humans, not just ones in groups. Back to your fish tank, all the fish in the tank can be called fish or fishes, depending on how you group them. All the fish in the tank would be (obviously) "fish". But if you group them as different species of fishes, then it would be (again, obviously) "fishes". You don't need to group them by species, any kind of seperate grouping would work. By species is the most seen since we don't have that many different ways to recognize anything about a group of fish besides what species it contains.
  • Can't stand it when people say use "folk" as a plural noun.
  • say/use: pick one
  • Speaking of species, the word "species" itself is both singular and plural. And datum is most definitely the singular of data.
  • some folk are strange and the rest are strangers in every singularity there lurk some dangers
  • Aircraft. I originally thought fish tick had named herself after this creature , but I believe it may actually be to do with the MSC logo, used to indicate fish from sustainable sources, since I've noticed tick seems to have a special, possibly professional knowledge of food regulations and related matters. Oh, hi there, fish tick...
  • Can't stand it when people say use "folk" as a plural noun. I can't figure out how to use "folk" as a singular noun. I don't think you can have just one folk. Unless that one folk has more than one person in it.
  • btw, bees, Good to see you. People have been looking for you. It was thought you had might've left.
  • More: glasses, scissors, binoculars, forceps, tongs, tweezers jeans, pants, pajamas, shorts, trousers accommodations, amends, archives, arms, bowels, intestines, brains (intellect), clothes, communications, congratulations, contents, stairs, thanks, goods people, police, cattle, people
  • but..since i put two "people" in there, is it now "peoples"?
  • Hair.
  • Wait -- is Hair a mass noun, or a count noun? You can say "there's hair in the sink", but you can also say "there's a hair in the sink". But it wouldn't make sense to say "there are two hair in the sink", you would have to say "two hairs in the sink"... So, I guess it would be niether. Forget what I said, then.
  • You know what? I JUST NOW got fish tick's name. *wet cat look* Thanks MCT for shattering the illusion I had about knowing anything ever!
  • Great mass nouns site, path! I liked this bit: In addition, sometimes count-noun forms are used for fish not intended for food, while mass-noun forms are used for fish that one would eat. "The net is full of salmon." (mass) "The net is full of sharks." (count — used when sharks are not perceived as edible) "The net is full of shark." (mass — used when sharks are perceived as edible) Fish produce all sorts of noises: grunts, squeaks and whistles or farts, one presumes they tick as well. They also could develop ticks from staying up too late babbling on MoFi. Nice stab, Plegmund - I used to do some editing of legislation, including food regulations. But I call that symbol a checkmark rather than a tick, myself.
  • fish tick, your handle reminds me of my friend and teacher Dr. Love. He is, coincidentally enough, a fish parasitologist (you may never eat sashimi again after having dinner with him), and is also very funny. I think he would agree with your enunciation of the rules for mass nouns concerning, um, ichthys.
  • Head of cattle! zorgon, that is a refreshingly original site, as ocean science sites go, and I have seen far too many of them. On t'other hand, it took a wee bit of digging to find out where Love is to be found. Of course we all know that, eh, Capt?
  • but mongeese sounds more fun (I suppose mongeese sound more fun, since they are plural...) ak!
  • Why shouldn't mongeese Sing as well as yon geese, When I paid for mongeese Twice as much as yon?
  • Semen.
  • No thanks, I've got a headache.
  • Well I just want to be wealthy enough to own several Lexi. And then I'd put a gathering of people together who are also owners of Lexi, hold it in a convention center (cars are big, after all) and call it Lexi-con
  • Oh! Wise guy! *smak!*
  • Nederlands: Sleutel Deutsch: Schluessel
  • One fish, two fish. One beer, two beer. Oh, and I usually say 'sailors' instead of the plural 'semen'.
  • All's I know is: my pleural ain't been the same since Singulair.
  • distinguishing moose from mongoose there's a moose almost bigger than this house he's not a gong-moose but a gone-moose his horns are half an acre wide the mongoose is wee and weasel-built but will not hide mongander ought to be the drake of him but see! his feet are not webbed he cannot swim and as for you, mon petit ou ma petite mongosling (yes, it's so TRES French, bebe!) your swift your lithe your oo la la is not so terrifying as the moose who's not your Ma nor Pa
  • What a perfect way to start the day!
  • Fear the Mongmoose
  • In her denial of someone's job application, Sister Renault wrote "...she did not specify any children's public library work experience in her application as numerous..." The mockery has commenced.
  • Your librii exes hardly resumed dear supplicantor. Li quiptor ad hominem Blutarsky, deus macarena.
  • That hurts my brain.
  • A la tuhuelpa legria macarena!